List of Wet Shaving Forums

As some of you know, Badger and Blade is down for maintenance right now, and I’m sure some of you are going through forum withdrawal. So, below is a list of alternative forums to while away the time while you wait for B&B to come back. In no particular order:

Shave Ready – Straight razor forum focused on honing, sharpening, and SOTD. They are a new straight razor forum with a very good subsection on razor honing, sharpening, & restoration. The people there are very helpful and the conversations tend to be more polite and concise. Since it is a newer forum, there are a lot less threads and a lot less responses to some topics. However, the quality of the discussions is quite good.

Straight Razor Place – The original straight razor forums. This forum probably gets thousands or tens of thousands of hits per day. They talk about everything from beginning straight shaving to how to eek out that very last bit of honing left in your natural Japanese hone. This forum is extremely populated and there are many threads posted per day. So many threads that it is hard to keep up with them all. Its even hard to keep up with the honing section. You’d have to visit hourly just to stay up to date and participate in some honing threads. The forum is sponsored and owned by the owners of Straight Razor Designs and is sponsored by several other shaving vendors.

The Shaving Room – UK Shaving Forums focusing on DE’s, but does have a straight section. Populated by a lively and friendly group of members based mostly out of the UK. It is interesting to see how things are different “across the pond.” Mostly dedicated to DE’s, but does have a lively straight section dedicated to shaving, sharpening, stropping, and honing straights.

The Shave Den: Established forum dedicated to both DE & Straights. This forum has less members than B&B & SRP, but more than any other forum. There are more discussions here than elsewhere. While there is a straight shaving section, the forum is mostly DE based.

Pogonotomy – New Forums from Bruce on Shaving. Not too much to report on this forum. It is extremely new and focused solely on DE’s.

A more complete list of wet-shaving websites can be found on our links page.

How to get a Good Shave with Canned Shaving Gel

I should start this post by saying that you shouldn’t be using canned shaving gel in the first place. Aside from releasing all the compressed gasses used to push out the gel, your face and straight razor deserve better. Canned goo simply does not offer the slickness, cushioning, and comfort that shaving soap does. Nothing gives you a better shave than a wet-shave using a finely honed straight, a brush, and tallow soap. However, there are some situations where brush and puck or cream simply is not available. Perhaps you’re traveling or the world ended and all that’s left is Edge Shaving Gel. Whatever the reason, this post is to help you get the best straight razor shave possible using canned cream.

The secret is simple: add water. Shaving gel is still soap when you get down to it. What makes shaving soap slick enough for straight shaving is the water (a super sharp razor also helps). So, if you absolutely positively no choice but to go without shaving or shave with the canned goo, just do the following. Wet your face with warm water. Thoroughly soak your face, the more water the better. Then, do what you normally do with canned cream. At this point, the gel is still too dry to comfortably shave with. Your going to have to add water and work it into the lather with your hands. Sort of like face lathering, but with your hands instead of a brush. The additional water will moisturize the cream and give you a better shave. And while it still won’t be a great shave, at least it won’t be your worst shaving experience.

Help! My Lather is Drying Out!

Dry lather is a common problem. The cause is that the water that used to be in the lather has evaporated, leaving you with a cake-y mess on your face. Once the water is removed from lather, all we’re left with is soap. Soap which wants to just blow off in flakes or cling stubbornly to our face.

This is a very bad problem for straight razor shaving. Even with a well honed razor, you cannot shave with dry or drying lather. The straight razor needs a slick lather; we like tallow soap for this reason. Thankfully the solution is simple. Just dip your brush in hot water (you could use cold too if you really want) and relather the dry areas. A good practice in the beginning is to shave half your face, or one third, before relathering the next area. This way, your lather will be nice and slick; making it easier for your well honed straight razor to cut through those pesky hairs.

ASR Reviews: Dovo Straight Razors

Over the years we have had a lot of experience using, honing, and sharpening Dovo straight razors. Dovo has been in business since the early 1900’s. They are one of the few *GOOD* modern mass manufacturers of straight razors. Dovos come in many shapes and sizes to fit your budget. From the very basic, to the extremely ornate, Dovo makes it.

But how is the steel? The good news is that the steel is very good. Not as good as a vintage razor, but Dovo is the gold standard against which all modern razors are measured by. Dovos hold their edge relatively well, only requiring a re-honing about every six months. Dovos have a good heat treatment and take very well to a honing, sharpening to a keen edge. The shave they give is very good.

The scales Dovo puts on their basic models are unfortunately simple plastic. However, they are 100% functional. The balance is good, for the most part, and the scales will last. On the higher end, the scales become intricate and aesthetically pleasing. In general, the more you pay for a Dovo, the better scales, gold wash, and steel you receive.

The Dovo Inox line is stainless steel. The steel scales that come with some Dovos do not balance particularly well. The stainless steel blade is hard to hone, as all stainless blades are wont to do. The edge it takes is pretty good, and the longevity is slightly longer.

Bottom line: Dovo makes a great quality razor, they hone up very nicely, producing a sharp, keen edge. The scales are very nice, but with Dovo, you get what you pay for. We definitely recommend Dovo if you are looking for a modern straight razor.

 


Five Reasons why Your Straight Razor is Dulling Quickly

Unfortunately, there is no one answer to this problem. A straight razor should not need honing for a long time. Provided you properly strop after each use, it should be between six months to a year in between honing. However, when you first start, the razor will invariably dull quicker and need re-sharpening. In the beginning, three to four months of good shaves is actually a good starting point. One month is not unheard of and re-honing your razor is just something that needs to be done as you journey down the long road toward straight shaving nirvana. Below I have compiled a list of the five most likely causes and their solutions.

  1. Poor stropping technique – This is actually quite common among new straight razor users. The cause is rolling the edge. By dragging the edge perpendicular or near to perpendicular from the strop, you will roll the edge. The good news is this is 100% fixable through proper stropping technique. This why stropping is so important. Click here to read our article about stropping!
  2. Rust – Rust is the enemy of sharp. Sadly the only cure to rust is to re-hone/sharpen the razor. Rust happens naturally, but there are certain things that can increase the rust rate: not drying the razor completely, storing it in the bathroom, or living in a humid climate. The good news is that there are things you can do to retard rust formation. Oil the blade when not in use, strop on a dry towel after use, stropping on linen/cotton, storing the razor somewhere dry, wrapping the razor in wax paper & place it in a waterproof box, etc..
  3. High Angle – The higher the angle you shave your hairs with, the quicker your razor will dull. The solution is to lower the angle. This is hard for new straight razor users to accomplish because increasing the angle makes it a little easier to get a closer shave, but at the cost of edge longevity. In addition, increasing the razor’s angle helps compensate for a razor in need of honing. Thus, it becomes a vicious downward spiral; the only real solution is to sharpen/hone the razor if you are stuck in this vicious circle.
  4. Coarse Hair – Sadly there is nothing we can do about this. Some men’s beards are so coarse that they just eat up razors. If this is the problem, it really doesn’t matter terribly much how well honed/sharpened the straight razor was to begin with, your coarse beard will just dull it. But don’t despair! There are things you can do. Soaking your beard softens the hairs and allows for easier cutting. Using a pre-shave lotion that soaks the hairs further softens the hairs, making it easier to shave. Proper stretching also helps, along with doing two with the grain passes.
  5. Never sharp – The sharper your razor starts off at, the sharper it will be several months later. A good honing will pay dividends in the end.

Six Sharpening/Honing Mistakes Holding Your Razor Back

As you can see, sharpening your razor on a brick is not going to make it shave ready. Joking…. And so is the guy who made the video above. Click it for the link. This list comprises the top six sharpening mistakes. While not comprehensive, the aspiring straight razor sharpener needs to watch out for these mistakes while honing.

1. The Bevel Is not Set – The bevel is the most important part of the honing process. It is the foundation of the veritable honing pyramid. Just like the food pyramid, you have to start at the bottom, setting the bevel, then work your way to the very top when you finish the razor on your chosen finishing method. Without a proper bevel, no matter how many hours or days you spend on that 30,000 grit Shapton, your razor will never be shave ready.

2. Under Honing – Under honing is related to bevel setting, but not quite. In order to progress through the honing process, you have to remove enough metal and scratch marks from the previous stone. You have to actually affect the very edge of the razor with the stone you are using. You cannot move on to the next grit level until you have finished with the one you are currently using. Under honing is the second most popular cause of un-shave-readiness.

3. Over Honing – Over honing your razor means you honed your razor for too many laps on the stone. You’ve developed a wire edge or burr. A wire edge is worse because it looks like a real edge, but will break off the moment you start shaving, possibly into your cheek. A burr is common in knife sharpening, but extremely undesirable in straight razors. A burr means the edge has rolled over to one side or the other. Whatever the reason, the end result is the same: a less than ideal razor.

4. Unsteady Hand – Honing requires a steady hand and a steady surface. One small misstep and you can undo all the work done previously.

5. Uneven Pressure – Not only must your hand be steady, you must apply even and adequate pressure all along the edge. If you apply too much pressure to one side, or not enough pressure on another, the edge will not come out evenly. One side may come out perfectly honed, the other may still require hours more hone work to make up for the lack of pressure.

6. Finishing Method – Bonus reason. Finishing method plays a very small role, but does influence the final edge. Diamond sprays are known to give a harsh edge, while other methods are not as sharp as others. In the end, it comes down to personal preference.

There you have it. Our top five list of why your razor isn’t shave ready. We hope you put this information to good use honing your razor. So, before you go out and purchase a new hone, perhaps you might want to think about practicing honing and maintaining a steady hand while honing.

The Meaning of Shave Ready

Shave ready means the razor is sharp enough to shave. The term is a measure of sharpness. However, there is no true universal standards, actual shave readiness is dependent upon each person’s skill level and preferences.

It is widely accepted that an edge finished on an 8k stone is shave ready. Finishing stones are considered to be 12,000 to 16,000 grit. Examples include Naniwa, Spyderco UF, Chromium Oxide, and Shapton. Some people do not consider a razor shave ready until it has been honed on such a finishing stone/method. However, not classifying a razor as shave ready until it reaches such a point would be inaccurate. The term really does mean ready to shave, not “what I’d like a razor to be honed on.”

We agree with the 8,000 grit benchmark. 16,000 is nice, but we prefer our razors to be sharpened on an even finer hone.

11 Ways to Get a Better Straight Razor Shave

  1. Shave More – Getting a good shave using a straight razor requires a certain feel that you will develop over time. Unfortunately, some things only come with experience. You don’t have to shave your face, you can practice on your arm, a tomato, or just in the air.
  2. Use Both Hands – Ambidexterity is good. Using both hands allows you to get better angles and reach places easier. Specifically, it allows an easier ATG on the opposite side of your face.
  3. Soak Your Beard – This is incredibly important. Hair is made of keratin. Keratin is extremely tough. To make it easier for your razor to cut your hairs, you need to soak your beard in water. Hair absorbs water and makes the otherwise tough and somewhat brittle hairs pliable and water logged. Don’t believe us, feel your hair before and after you wash you shower.
  4. Stretch the Skin – Skin stretching is extremely important for straight razor shaving. Always stretch in the opposite direction of the blade.U
  5. Use a Good Soap and Quality Brush –If you still use canned shaving cream, you have to switch to soap and brush. It’s just vastly superior. Straight razors prefer slick lather. Old fashioned glycerin soap is slicker than the canned goop, and tallow soap is slicker than glycerin soap. Unless you’re averse to animal killing, you should make the switch.
  6. Lower the Angle – Your razor is not a magical laser. If you angle the razor down towards your skin, your razor is just going to cut your skin. If you angle the edge just so, towards the base of the hairs, your razor will glide over your skin and give you a great shave.
  7. Take Your Time – This cannot be emphasized enough. Too many cuts and poor shaving experiences are due to rushing into the task with gusto. Straight razor shaving is something to be taken very seriously and enjoyed. It should be a relaxing experience. Take your time, learn the right techniques, shave in short strokes until you master the straight razor and the angles.
  8. Re-Wet Your Lather – There is no rule or reason to let the lather on your face dry out without replenishing it. If the lather on your face is not rinsing off your razor with no residue, dip your brush in water and re-lather on your face.
  9. Use Less Pressure – Your not using a cartridge, there is no safety on your straight razor. More importantly, your straight razor is ACTUALLY SHARP!!! Yes, for the first time in your life, your actually shaving with something that is truly razor sharp and if you don’t treat it with respect, it will bite you. Unlike cartridges, the straight razor actually shaves by cutting the hairs, not by pulling them out or tearing up your face. If you choose to add pressure, you will only take off skin. Okay, this is not meant to say don’t use any pressure at all, but you have to learn exactly how much pressure is necessary. Go slowly and stop adding pressure once the razor cuts cleanly.
  10. Use Water Only – As mentioned above, straight razors like slick lather. Water is not only really slick, but it is transparent. Shaving with water allows you to see everything.
  11. Use a Sharp Razor – This one is a no brainer, but is a common enough problem that I must mention it. A sharper razor cuts the hairs easier and closer. Just watch the Gillette commercials. If you try everything else on this list and your razor still tugs, have someone else hone your straight razor. A professional honing may be what is required.

Ask ASR: Stainless Steel Rusting

Q: Help! My stainless steel razor is rusting! I thought it was rust proof.

-Ted

A: Ted,

It is a common misconception that stainless steel means rust proof. Stainless steel will rust just like carbon steel. To get truly rust proof steel, you would have to add so much chromium that you lose all the benefits of steel. For example, very common stainless steels have very little carbon and a lot of chromium and other elements which inhibit rust. However, these steels will not take an edge. We’ve written an article about what makes a razor sharp. We suggest you read it.

Stainless steel simply “stains less.” Meaning it is more resistant to rust, but not rust proof. Steel is simply iron melded with carbon. Razors are made from heat treated steel. Stainless steel is just carbon steel with chromium added. The chromium won’t prevent rust, it just retards the rust. Therefore, you need to take just as much care for your stainless steel razor as you would your carbon steel razor.

What Makes a Razor Sharp

At the most basic level, an edge is a V (bevel). Sharpness comes from making a perfect bevel, honing both sides to a mirror finish and honing the very tip to as sharp as possible. This article will explore what it is that makes a razor sharp, a brief explanation about steel, and how we hone a sharper razor. We will explore the different types of steels, their composition, and why heat treatment forms the backbone of any sharp instrument.

Article Outline

The Steel
Stainless Steel
Carbon Steel
Heat Treatment
The Edge
Establishing the Bevel
Polishing
A Sharper Razor
Verhoeven – Experiments on Knife Sharpening

The Steel

It all starts with the steel. In the beginning, there was bronze, obsidian, flint, and shells. Then came the invention of iron and with it, steel. Steel is the material of choice for tools and razors ever since it was invented all those years ago. Today there are many different types of steel, but the main two categories are stainless and carbon steel. The difference between the two is the introduction of chromium in stainless steel. This article will not go into martensite crystal formation or the technicalities about hardening steel.

Stainless Steel

Stainless steel is a misnomer, it should be called stain resistant steel. Stainless steel makes a good choice for straight razors because of its resistance to rust. Rust is the enemy of sharpness. The less your razor’s edge rusts, the sharper it remains and the less honing it requires. However, this has absolutely no effect on the initial sharpness of your razor.

Stainless steel can be a poor choice for straight razors. Stainless steel such as alloy 304, are a poor material with which to make a razor. Such alloys contain low levels of carbon and are ultimately unable to create and hold a sharp edge. Other stainless steel alloys perform more similarly to their carbon steel brethren and take a keen edge. These alloys have the added benefit of toughness and corrosion resistance. Other alloys only add a small amount of chromium sacrificing rust resistance and toughness for a sharper edge.

As a general rule, stainless steel does not take as good an edge as carbon steel, but has better toughness and corrosion resistance. The toughness consequently makes stainless steel razors much harder to hone.

Carbon Steel

Carbon steel is the oldest steel known to man. Without the addition of chromium, carbon steel rusts easier than stainless steel and requires more care. The general rule is that the greater the carbon content, the sharper the edge you will be able to achieve; up to a certain point (it also makes the steel more brittle). There are too many alloys of carbon steel to count. Silver steel and tool steel are two of the most commonly known names. Silver steel is discussed in our history of the straight razor. It is called silver steel because of the high carbon content. Tool steel is similar to silver steel in that it also has a high carbon content, but it is more modern.

As a general rule, carbon steel razors take a keener edge initially, but will go dull faster. Consequently carbon steel razors are easier to hone. It should also be noted that because of the huge amount of variation, carbon steel razors will take and hold edges much differently from each other, especially across manufacturers, model lines, and time periods.


Heat Treatment

This is the most important part of the razor manufacturing process. The heat treatment turns soft steel into hardened steel. Soft steel is unable to hold an edge. It must be heat treated in order to create the martensite formations which enable edge formation and retention. Briefly explained, the steel is heated to a very high temperature, and then cooled quickly. Heat treatment is often confused with temper or tempering. Tempering is the process of taking the hardened, but brittle steel and taking some of the brittleness out at the expense of hardness. Tempering is basically just baking the razor for a set period of time in order to give spring back to the steel.

The Edge

A razor’s edge looks like a V in the cross section. Close-up electron microscope photos show that the edge does not end in a perfect V, but it comes pretty darn close. Consequently, to sharpen a razor, the sharpener must establish a perfect bevel. Establishing the bevel is the most important part of sharpening/honing, whether it be knives or razors, the basic principle is the same. Sharpen the two sides until they form a V. Once the bevel is established, the edge must be polished and the jaggedness reduced or removed. This is what separates a razor from a knife.

The polishing process begins at the 4,000 grit level. A skilled straight razor shaver can shave with a razor honed with just a 1,200 grit stone, but take it from me, it is barely acceptable and your face will feel pretty raw. A razor honed on a 4,000 grit stone feels much better, but 8,000 is universally held to be “shave ready.” We don’t call a razor finished until a much finer grit is reached.

Establishing the Bevel

Establishing the bevel is the first part of any sharpening procedure. As stated earlier, a proper bevel should form a V. An improper bevel will instead form something similar to U or \_/. As you can see, the actual cutting edge does not form an edge. The two sides of the bevel do not meet in the center. The solution is more honing until the edges meet.

The purpose of establishing the bevel is to bring the two sides of the bevel into the center. To hone the two sides until they form a proper edge. If the edge is not formed, the razor will not cut. Without an edge, no matter how much you polish the two sides of the bevel, the razor will never shave. To make the two sides meet in the middle, the sharpener must hone away the steel until \_/ turns into \/. After the edge is formed and the razor becomes a sharp knife, the goal is to further refine the edge, turning \/ into V. The next step is known as polishing.

Polishing

Once the bevel is established, the edge must be polished. Even though the razor is sharper than a really sharp knife, the edge is not smooth, it is jagged and does not form a perfect V yet. The edge can be refined further, the jaggedness can be removed and the edge’s width can be further reduced. This process is known as polishing and involves finer and finer stones.

While a 4,000 grit edge is shave-able, most men do not find such an edge to be satisfactory. Thus, 4,000 is only the first stepping stone on the road towards shave ready. Progressing through 8,000 and 12,000, the razor’s edge is refined and given a near mirror finish. The fine grit of these stones reduces the width of the actual edge by taking fewer and fewer steel particles off the edge. The polishing process works because the steel will reflect the characteristics of the stones it is being honed on.

A Sharper Razor

It is universally accepted that 8,000 is shave ready. Most people stop at 12,000 or thereabouts and call it truly shave ready and comfortable. Some people and hone-meisters will go a step further and use diamond sprays or chromium oxide (~.25-.5 µm). These pastes do not give the same edge as a stone, but they do produce a very polished bevel. The edge given off these pastes is harsh. Probably due to the nature of the substrate the paste is put on. A Sharper Razor uses the equivalent of a 50,000 grit stone to finish your razor. Our finishing stones have been lapped perfectly flat and give you a superior edge. We put a mirror finish on your razor’s edge and go beyond shave ready.

It is our mission to continually search for the means to hone a sharper razor.